Women-only Professorships in Ireland
Earlier this week the Irish Government made an announcement that has ruffled a few feathers: it aims to create a number of new senior positions at Professor level in Irish Universities that are open only to female candidates. I don’t know the details of how this scheme will work, but I understand that the positions will be targeted at subject (and perhaps geographical) areas in which there is a demonstrable gender imbalance and the scheme will cost about €6M.
Reactions to this among people I know have been very varied, so it seems a good topic on which to have a simplistically binary poll:
For the record, I should state that I am broadly in favour of the idea, but I’d like to know more about how these positions will be allocated to institutions, how they will be advertised and how the recruitment will be done. I’ll also add that my main worry about this initiative is that it might distract attention away from the need for Irish higher education institutions to have much better promotion procedures; see, e.g. here. There are plenty of female lecturers in Irish universities, but they seem to face ridiculous difficulties getting promoted to Professorships.
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November 16, 2018 at 5:59 pm
Two things: (1) You’re not the only one who’d like to know more – but the government has said it’s not telling anyone until 2019. (2) The announcement *has* distracted your attention (also, to be fair, a lot of peoples’ attention) from the simultaneous announcement of a number of reforms to promotion procedures. If you’re interested, look at https://www.education.ie/en/Press-Events/Press-Releases/2018-press-releases/PR18-11-12.html.
November 16, 2018 at 10:03 pm
It seems to me that the potential problem with the whole plan is this: statistics in most institutions would seem to indicate that the biggest progression/promotion hurdle for women comes at the Lecturer –> Senior Lecturer line. My fear is that parachuting in some highly qualified female Professors (who, in all likelihood, will be external to the system) will make institutional statistics *look* better without actually improving the situation for those women who are already working in Irish universities (and often finding themselves unable to progress out of ‘junior’ positions). I hope I’m proven wrong.
November 17, 2018 at 9:09 am
You need to read the entire government proposal, not just the bit that has attracted media attention. The reforms proposed for the appointments process (which the universities have already accepted) should make serious inroads into the failure to promote women, and the financial penalties for failing to hit overall targets for staff gender certainly won’t discourage them from promoting women. Don’t get distracted by the gender-specific appointments, which are a very small part of the picture, and in any event may not survive legal challenge.
November 17, 2018 at 10:02 am
I wondered whether this move would be lawful actually. I doubt it would be on the UK, where positive discrimination is not allowed. I don’t really know Irish law though.
November 17, 2018 at 10:14 am
There’s provision in Irish law for ‘measures to promote equal opportunity for men and women .. by removing existing inequalities which affect women’s opportunities in [relation to] promotion’ – there’s some informed discussion of this on boards.ie, see https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057928085 (also a lot of uninformed discussion, of course). Not an area I’m an expert in. But a legal challenge to the financial penalties doesn’t seem very likely (whereas a challenge in relation to the gender-specific posts seems very very likely).
November 17, 2018 at 11:25 am
There are ‘targets’, then. The question is how they are decided.
November 17, 2018 at 11:44 am
Precise targets will be decided by negotiation between each institution, the HEA and the Minister. There are of course obvious and severe limits to how quickly it’s possible to change the gender composition of each institution, a point which the universities and ITs will no doubt make the most of in negotiations.
November 17, 2018 at 1:01 pm
That’s not quite what I meant by “how”, but thanks for the info!
November 17, 2018 at 9:17 am
The question of which subjects is not irrelevant here. It also sets a precedent for other ‘minority’ groups.
A gentleman will always offer a lady a chair…
November 17, 2018 at 10:11 pm
I hope the proposal does turn out to be legal, I think it can only be a Good Thing, provided the scheme is additional to normal promotion procedures and separately funded. After all, American univesities are full of bespoke Chairs, f I understand correctly
November 21, 2018 at 2:11 pm
Think about: these people not being taken seriously because “she didn’t get the post on merit, but only because she is a woman”; the fact that, as another poster pointed out, the glass ceiling seems to be lower down (assuming that it exists at all, and not because there are other reasons for lack of gender parity). In general, two wrongs don’t make a right. Positive discrimination usually creates more problems than it solves. Those who suffer from it are not those who discriminated against women in the past, and certainly not necessarily those who have benefitted from such discrimination by others.
November 18, 2018 at 6:01 pm
There have been a number of attempts to post comments on this item which violate my policy on comments, so here is a reminder:
“Feel free to comment on any of the posts on this blog but comments may be moderated; anonymous comments and any considered by me to be abusive will not be accepted.”
November 18, 2018 at 8:28 pm
Thanks for sharing the comment policy. My comments were certainly not abusive or remotely ad hominem and I am posting with my name so I do not understand the problem?
November 18, 2018 at 9:53 pm
There have been many attempted comments other than yours, but in any case ‘Ciaran’ is not a unique identfier in Ireland.
November 18, 2018 at 9:00 pm
“There are plenty of female lecturers in Irish universities, but they seem to face ridiculous difficulties getting promoted to Professorships.”
This is the narrative peddled by Minister O’Connor but if one probes it thoroughly one realises it is bogus. The gender task force identified in the most recent study period that there is an increasing % of women getting through (28%) but crucially only 30% of applicants were female. So actually there is very little difference between the two figures and it is possible that there is no significant difference.
Why is no one discussing this?
Another point that I feel I need to make that media isn’t covering is a critique of the whole lost opportunity argument. It is often argued that we need a 50% female workforce professors to fully unlock the intellectual potential of the workforce. Although this is a killer argument in the likes of Saudi Arabia, it isn’t applicable in Irish Academia. Lecturers and senior lecturers have the same duties in most departments and there is gender parity in those ranks. Being a professor doesn’t give you a special privilege to make discoveries and advance science.
November 18, 2018 at 9:13 pm
I’m trying to understand the logic of the second point, but have so far failed…
November 19, 2018 at 9:37 am
Overall, I think it’s a good idea to have some women-only professorships to kick-start the process, while making plans over the longer term to deal with the promotion problems. Having more senior women around would help change expectations. Making it time-limited (while maintaining incentives for improving gender balance) would encourage fixing the fundamental issues.